les sunnites et les chiites ?

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Envoyé par LongRoad Il pourrait semble facile de répondre sans trop d’embarras à la question initialement poser ici. Hélas. Un fatras idéologique primaire et réducteur vient appesantir l’échange d’une chape de plomb. « Un coup de Coran par ci, un autre par là, un coup de hadiths dans les dents et prends celui là sur le nez. N’est pas exégète qui veut. N’était-il pas plus intéressant de faire avancer cette discussion sur le terrain de l’histoire simplement. Le ridicule ne tue heureusement pas.

Il pourrait semble facile de répondre sans trop d’embarras à la question initialement poser ici. tu as raison mais on ne peut rester la bouche fermee et ne pas repondre aux gens ki attaquent la sunnah du prophete salato rabbi wa salamoho 3alayh

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Envoyé par LongRoad Il pourrait semble facile de répondre sans trop d’embarras à la question initialement poser ici. Hélas. Un fatras idéologique primaire et réducteur vient appesantir l’échange d’une chape de plomb. « Un coup de Coran par ci, un autre par là, un coup de hadiths dans les dents et prends celui là sur le nez. N’est pas exégète qui veut. N’était-il pas plus intéressant de faire avancer cette discussion sur le terrain de l’histoire simplement. Le ridicule ne tue heureusement pas.

http://arabic.islamicweb.com/shia/RAFIDA_INDEX.htm ici on parle des chiites et ce qu ils pensent des sunnites. c est en arabe

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Envoyé par scofild11 bonjours j'ai entendu que chez les musulmans il y avait 2 sorte de musulman les sunnites et les chiites je ne savais pas que sa exister et je suis choquer je croiyer quon etait tous musulmans bon sinon je voudrai savoir quelle est la difference voila

http://arabic.islamicweb.com/shia/RAFIDA_INDEX.htm ici on parle des chiites et ce qu ils pensent des sunnites. c est en arabe

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Envoyé par scofild11 bonjours j'ai entendu que chez les musulmans il y avait 2 sorte de musulman les sunnites et les chiites je ne savais pas que sa exister et je suis choquer je croiyer quon etait tous musulmans bon sinon je voudrai savoir quelle est la difference voila

Pour moi elle se résume à une chose..

toute à l'avantage du parti d'Ali...


Zawaj al mutah.

voilà tout

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Envoyé par AymenSan Salaam, Rashad, c'est prouvé mathématiqement : Somme des valeurs alphanumériques des mots Rashad Khalifa : 1230 Somme des noméros de chapitre et verset : 98 + 2 = 100 Salaam, Aymen

THE FALSE PROPHETS (DAJJALS)

False Claimants to Prophethood within the Muslim Community



Among the signs of the Last Hour is the appearance of approximately 30 false claimants of Prophethood known as Dajjals.
Narrated Abu Hurayrah: Allah's Apostle said:

"The Hour will not be established until two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, until about 30 dajjals appear, and each of them will claim that he is Allah's Apostle..."

(Related by Bukhari and Muslim)

The last of these Dajjals would be the False Messiah:

Once the Prophet of Allah said, while delivering a ceremonial speech at an occasion of a solar eclipse, as Samura son of Jundub reported:

"...Verily by God, the Last Hour will not come until 30 liars of prophecy will appear and the final one will be the One-eyed False Messiah."

(Narrated by Imam Ahmad as a sound Hadeeth).

In another authentic hadeeth, the Prophet of Allah informed that of 27 dajjals, 4 of them would be women:

Huthaifa narrated, that the Prophet said:

"In my Ummah (community/nation), there are 27 dajjals of liars, including 4 women (who will proclaim themselves Prophets). I am the last Prophet and none will come after me."

(Related by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tabrani as a sound hadeeth)

Therefore, there would be 27-30 Dajjals who would appear, 4 of which would be women and the last of which would be the False Messiah, who the true Messiah, Prophet 'Eessa ("Jesus") would kill. The Prophet of Allah (Prophet Muhammad) already closed the loophole of building a series of Prophets and confirmed the impossibility of any newcomer as a Prophet after him. The dajjals he mentioned that have already appeared are discussed below. As I find more of them, I shall list them.

Musailama al-Kazzab:
Sajah al-Kahenah: Along with Musailama in falsely claiming Prophethood, was his wife, Sajah al-Kahenah, although she later reversed her position after her husband, Musailama, had been killed.
Saf son of Sayyad: Another False claimant to Prophethood that appeared during the time of the Prophet and his companions, was Saf son of Sayyad.
Tulayha son of Khwailid: Tulayha was another of the false Prophets who appeared during the time of the Prophet and his companions, but later repented and returned to the fold of Islam.
Aswad al-Ansi: Also during the time of the Prophet and his companions was another false Prophet, named Aswad al-Ansi.
Al-Mukhtar Al-Thaqafi: A Shi’ite rebel, al-Mukhtar son of Abi Ubayd is also accused of being a False Prophet. He claimed to be a representative of the Mahdi
Mahmud son of al-Faraj: In Samara, a false Prophet by the name of Mahmud son of al-Faraj appeared in 849-850 CE with a claim that a Quran was revealed to him through the angel Gabriel.
"Bab": Another liar/false claimant to prophecy, and the predecessor of Bahaullah, was Mizra Ali Muhammad, who initially declared himself the "Bab" (Gate) to the Shi'ite's Mahdi, and eventually progressed into other claims. He was embraced by the Shaykhis sect of Shi'a Islam, who were then renamed "Babis". Subsequently, he declared himself to be the Shi'ite's hidden Mahdi. After declaring himself the Mahdi, he moved on to call himself Nuqtiyiula and declared that the Quran and Muslim Shari'a were now abrogated. Shi'a and Sunni scholars condemned him and Bab faced a series of imprisonment, trials, and indignities before being shot dead by a firing squad in 1850.
"Bahaullah": The self-proclaimed successor to the Bab, and another liar/false claimant to prophecy was Mizra Hussein Ali Nuri. In 1863 Hussein Ali, a prominent member of the Babi group
Elijah Muhammad: Elijah Muhammad, succeeding Wallace Dodd Ford, was another in the line of False Prophets.
Kareem Agha Khan: In the early 1970s, another false-claimant to prophecy appeared within the Ismaili sect of Shi'ism, who proclaims himself to be a manifestation of God on Earth and a spokesman for Allah.
Rashid Khalifa: Then we have another False Prophet, Rashid Khalifa, who came from Egypt, and claimed there to be an intricate numerical pattern to the Qur'an revolving around the number 19 in 1974. Because of this, he claimed to be a Messenger of God, alongside Prophets Ibraheem (Abraham) and Muhammad, and founded the group called "United Submitters International", rejecting the hadeeths of the Prophet, and denounced ayats 9:128-129 of the Qur'an. For many years he was the Imam at the Tuscon Mosque in Arizona, where he was later stabbed to death in 1990.
Al Mizra Abbas: Another liar, Al-Mizra Abbas, in 1233 AH/1818 CE, appeared in Tehran, Iran and died in Palestine.
Shabbatai Zevi: Shabbatai Zevi was one of the False Prophets who appeared during a desperate period of Ashkenazi Jewish history in 16th and 17th centuries
Saleh son of Tarif Burghwati: Saleh claimed prophethood and Mahdihood in 125 AH.
Abu Mansoor 'Eessa: Abu Mansoor 'Eessa claimed prophethood and Mahdihood in 341 AH
Al-Harith son of Sa'id: Al-Harith son of Said claimed prophethood during the reign of the Umayyad caliph, Abd al-Malik son of Marwan.
Mizra Ghulam Ahmad: Mizra Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian is a British-engineered false Prophet who appeared in India to quell resistance against the British colonialists.. He invited his fiercest oppenent, Molvi Sanaullah Amratsari, to a prayer duel. He advertised his supplication to Allah pleading Him to annihilate the liar amongst the two in the lifetime of the truthful one, by Cholera or by Plague. He considered them to be the sign of Divine Anger and Punishment. Mirza subsequently died of cholera a year later.
Muhammad son of Sa'id:
Mahmood Muhammad Taha: Mahmood Muhammad Taha was also a false claimant to prophecy who was based in Sudan, and he tried with maximum endeavor to mislead normal people from their Islamic way of life until he was beheaded in 1985.
Jasmin?: A more recent individual who has appeared, and could potentially be a False Claimant to Prophecy is Jasmin.
Dr. Dwight York: Another fairly recent false claimant to prophecy was Dr. York. In the late 1960s York
Riyaz Ahmad Gohar Shahi: Another claimant to Mahdihood and prophecy, is Gohar Shahi. He was born in 1941 in the Indian sub-continent.

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Envoyé par AymenSan Salaam, Cette sourate parle de Rashad, c'est prouvé mathématiqement : Somme des valeurs alphanumériques des mots Rashad Khalifa : 1230 Somme des noméros de chapitre et verset : 98 + 2 = 100 Somme totale : 1330 = 19x70 Pour comprendre cette preuve et qu'elle soit convaincante, il faut vérifier le miracle mathématique qui est une preuve matérielle que le Coran est la parole de DIEU SEUL. T'as dit : "Rashid Khalafa est venu ... mais les mécréants parmi les gens du Livre continuent à renier ... " Lis le verset 1 de cette même sourate que tu m'as montré (!!!) : [Coran 98:1] Ceux qui n’ont pas cru parmi les gens de l’écriture, aussi bien que les adorateurs d’idoles, persistent dans leurs chemins, malgré les preuves qui leur sont données. Salaam, Aymen

Rashid Khalifa's Trick
The trick Rashad is to corrupt people using his corrupt translation.. let's examine it ourself.

YUSUF ALI -- 2:30] Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

RASHAD -- 2:30] Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative (a temporary god) on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know."

His claim From" Quran: The Final Testament" p.640

[The word "Rashad" occurs in 40:29 & 38. The word "Khalifa" occurs in 2:30 and 38:26. The first "Khalifa", namely, Satan, while the second occurence (Sura 38), refers to a human "Khalifa". If we add the numbers of suras and verses of "Rashad" (40:29,38) and "Khalifa" (38:26) we get 40+29+38+38+26=171=19x9]

Interestingly, the translation by Rashad for Surah Al-Baqarah ayat 30 said that Allah wants to put a representative which is Satan and in parenthesis TEMPORARY GOD! Masha Allah!!! May Allah curse him!!! How could he called Satan a temporary God. God is ONE and ALWAYS ONE. SATAN IS ALWAYS HIS CREATION!!!! Secondly, is it Satan or us? Does satan shed blood? No, he wispers to the breast of the people, but not Satan himself killed people. Are we destined to be on earth? Are we the Khalifa on earth or Satan?

If you look carefully, you will see that in order to find a multiple of 19, he changed the meaning of Quran, and therefore those who read his translation will doom to disbelief. I have a question, don't you think that this is the work of Satan. Satan really likes to seek people to disbelief. Satan really likes to seek people to worship him. Satan really likes us to think he is God. Don't you think it is what Rashad did in that verse?

This is a warning to those who believe in Rashad. If you believe in Allah, then follow which one is the TRUTH.

If Allah is willing, I will continue. May Allah spread peace. May Allah gives Light to the Truth and May Allah distinguish the Truth and the False.

Since Rashad's philosophy is to destroy the belief in Sunnah and Hadith, so he sought to misinterpret the meaning of Hadith to those non-Arabic speaker or at least those who knows nothing in Arabic. let's examine.

RASHAD 7:185] "...Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, beside this, do they believe in?"

YUSUF ALI 7:185]"...(Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what MESSAGE after this will they then believe?"

Arabic 7:185] Fabiayyee HADITHim ba'dahoo yu'minoon.

You realize that the word Hadith is in fact in the verse but you must remember that Hadith means speech, or saying.

let's examine a little bit more.

RASHAD 68:44] "Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive.

YUSUF ALI 68:44] Then leave Me alone with such as reject this MESSAGE; by degrees shall We punish them from directions they perceive not.

ARABIC 68:44]fazarnee waman yukathibubihaa thalHADITHi sanastadrijuhum..."

and again, the WORD HADITH has been used in it. If you read it carefully, you will the discover the the MESSAGE Allah is talking about is the Quran, the Message of Allah.

There are a lot more words of Hadith with he transliterate them to confuse others and with my amazement he didn't translate some of them because he knew if he did, they would be questioned... let's look at it.

YUSUFALI 56:81] Is it such a MESSAGE that ye would hold in light esteem?

RASHAD 56:81] Are you disregarding this NARRATION?

ARABIC 56:81]Afabihaathal HADITHi antum mudhinoon.

You could see here that Rashad didn't transliterate them to be Hadith, but NARRATION. Why is that, I wonder? do you see some inconsistency. Alhamdulillah, Allah has shown the one of the tricks of him. That is not the only verse in his translation that he hid the word Hadith to be narration where he could. there are numerous places. SO BEWARE.
j espere ke cela t ouvria les yeux allah yehdik