Pilot Academy in the US

[khmira]

Hi.
First of all excuse me for my bad english .
I'm a 17 years old boy ,i'm morrocan but i'm living in Paris .
I moved to Paris in 2003.
I'il graduate this year (inchallah),and my dream would be to integrate a Pilot academy in the US .
I'va done some research over the web and find some interesting things related to toeffel ,scools ,interessting cities (for being pilot ,san Fransisco for example).
But my impression is that this project is soooooooo difficult for several reasons .
-First my english level f*** french school .
-All the terrorisme problem ,i have a name that sound very arabic and after 9/11 i don't know what's are the difficulties to integrate aviation schools in the us .
-The amount of money that i should spend to live their .
Good thing's are that i'm very in aviation thing ,very motivated,sociable and hard worker .

I wish you can understand something from my "english" and could help me .
Thank you !

[farid_h]

Envoyé par khmira my dream would be to integrate a Pilot academy in the US.

Hi Khmira,

we're talking *civilian* aviation here, right?

First of all, do you have an EU passport in addition to your Moroccan passport? It's much easier to get a visa this way. Applying for a visa as Moroccan is not out of the question, but it takes a lot of time for DHS to okay it. If you have relatives in the US, it would be definitely easier.

Secondly, private pilot schools are pretty expensive. You'll definitely need to save around 15K to 35K USD (for tuition fees alone, add to this what you need for day-to-day living) before even applying. If you've got a good paying job in France, start saving now.

The cost of living varies widely across the US. It can be approx. 65% of median EU levels, or up to 130% of that, depending on the region. If you select a school outside of big conglomerations (perhaps in Texas, the Rockies or so), you can live quite comfortably (relatively speaking), although life in a small town there can be a little bit boring. ;-)

If we're talking military training, you'll need a US citizenship and you need to pass rather stringent tests before being admitted at the AFA in Colorado Springs. But I don't think that's what you're after right now.

Why do you want to learn flying in the US?

[farid_h]

Envoyé par khmira First of all excuse me for my bad english.

By the way, your English is not bad at all! ;-)

Just one more suggestion: you can learn the basics of aviation nearly everywhere in the world, this being much less expensive than in EU, Canada or the US. If getting started in the US proves prohibitively difficult to you right now, you could still learn flying somewhere else, and then, after you've accumulated somewhat between 120 to 300 hours, enroll in a US pilot academy for advanced training and certification (you'll need to redo the basics tests, but that's just a formality that's much less expensive than learning from scratch).

[AlHemar]

Envoyé par khmira Hi. First of all excuse me for my bad english . I'm a 17 years old boy ,i'm morrocan but i'm living in Paris . I moved to Paris in 2003. I'il graduate this year (inchallah),and my dream would be to integrate a Pilot academy in the US . I'va done some research over the web and find some interesting things related to toeffel ,scools ,interessting cities (for being pilot ,san Fransisco for example). But my impression is that this project is soooooooo difficult for several reasons . -First my english level f*** french school . -All the terrorisme problem ,i have a name that sound very arabic and after 9/11 i don't know what's are the difficulties to integrate aviation schools in the us . -The amount of money that i should spend to live their . Good thing's are that i'm very in aviation thing ,very motivated,sociable and hard worker . I wish you can understand something from my "english" and could help me . Thank you !

your english is pretty good, don't think VanDame or Arnold spoke better english than you when they came to US? forget the language thing, the mentality of the Americans is not that complexed as the french mentality: this is a country built by foreigners and have less problems to integrate more foreigners.

I just want to tell you this good advice: don't let's no losers to tell you what you can or can't do? you love pilot, you want do pilot, just go for it? yes you may get problems due to the war on the crap terrorism but stand strong to defend yourself? you know you are not a terrorist so don't sit back and look at the others underestimating you? fight back to get what do you want? and always pay attention to the law and be nice to the people arround you, they will be nice to you.

it is expensive to study here. I believe for pilot you will need more than 35K per year. remember Morocco in Africa not in middleeast? and manage yourself to present yourself to others? do not wait for them to tell you who you are?

you can get small jobs here and they can help you to make between 10K to 60K if you are smart in doing the right jobs. a work on cab can makes you up to 60K per year in big cities like San Fransisco but you have to know the city well as soon as possible.

if you are looking for my advice, if you can have enough support for the first year here, you can go thru with no problem. just stay away from the losers? there are too many losers arround here who does not like you to succeed (I'm speaking about the other moroccans who are here). there is small chance that you find good Moroccan who can be there for you here or at least don't try to knock you down. it is a big problem and we avoid to talk about it, but exist. wa Allah almusta'aan.

if you can not afford that, I advice you to go start pilot in a country like russia or china, it is much much cheap and very developed. later you can switch anytime to US. plus if you can do it in china, which I don't know your ability of learning that language, once you come in US you will be hired quick. in today's America, all the foreigners get hard time, except those who come from china, speak well chinese, but they are not chinese...

[farid_h]

Envoyé par AlHemar I believe for pilot you will need more than 35K per year.

On a VERY tight budget, you can easily fly a Cessna within 4 months for approx 10K to 12K; but that's pretty tight budget and requires you to move to some nearly deserted dusty strip lost in the middle of nowhere. ;-) Make that at least 15K to 20K as a more reasonable estimate (provided you stay away from expensive cities) and you're in.

30K is minimum if you want to learn piloting the big birds right away; but that's a path that only very few take. Pilots usually start small on Cessnas, get some flying experience in the field, make money as air taxi, and if they're really good, apply for advanced training at commercial airlines; usually 3 to 4 years thereafter; which is quite good.

Envoyé par AlHemar remember Morocco in Africa not in middleeast? and manage yourself to present yourself to others? do not wait for them to tell you who you are?

If you want to make an impression on Americans, just tell'em that Morocco was the first country that diplomatically recognized the US of A, and that the US's oldest still non-broken treaty of friendship was with... bingo! Morocco! ;-) Oh, and regarding security and all this terrorism scare crap: Morocco is one of the very few countries in the world that's considered by the US as major non-NATO ally, and Moroccans get visas every year without any problems whatsoever - so don't sweat it here.

Envoyé par AlHemar you can get small jobs here and they can help you to make between 10K to 60K if you are smart in doing the right jobs. a work on cab can makes you up to 60K per year in big cities like San Fransisco but you have to know the city well as soon as possible.

That's correct, but getting the right visa with working permit can prove tricky now with the new legislation. It was much easier two years ago.

Envoyé par AlHemar if you are looking for my advice, if you can have enough support for the first year here, you can go thru with no problem. just stay away from the losers? there are too many losers arround here who does not like you to succeed (I'm speaking about the other moroccans who are here). there is small chance that you find good Moroccan who can be there for you here or at least don't try to knock you down. it is a big problem and we avoid to talk about it, but exist. wa Allah almusta'aan.

I concur! Stay away from certain groups - you'll easily guess what both of us are hinting at.

Envoyé par AlHemar if you can not afford that, I advice you to go start pilot in a country like russia or china, it is much much cheap and very developed. later you can switch anytime to US. plus if you can do it in china, which I don't know your ability of learning that language, once you come in US you will be hired quick. in today's America, all the foreigners get hard time, except those who come from china, speak well chinese, but they are not chinese...

Kanyetschna!

There you have it. Now go for it and don't let anyone talk you out of your dream! Good luck, dude!

[AlHemar]

Envoyé par farid_h On a VERY tight budget, you can easily fly a Cessna within 4 months for approx 10K to 12K; but that's pretty tight budget and requires you to move to some nearly deserted dusty strip lost in the middle of nowhere. ;-) Make that at least 15K to 20K as a more reasonable estimate (provided you stay away from expensive cities) and you're in. 30K is minimum if you want to learn piloting the big birds right away; but that's a path that only very few take. Pilots usually start small on Cessnas, get some flying experience in the field, make money as air taxi, and if they're really good, apply for advanced training at commercial airlines; usually 3 to 4 years thereafter; which is quite good. If you want to make an impression on Americans, just tell'em that Morocco was the first country that diplomatically recognized the US of A, and that the US's oldest still non-broken treaty of friendship was with... bingo! Morocco! ;-) Oh, and regarding security and all this terrorism scare crap: Morocco is one of the very few countries in the world that's considered by the US as major non-NATO ally, and Moroccans get visas every year without any problems whatsoever - so don't sweat it here. That's correct, but getting the right visa with working permit can prove tricky now with the new legislation. It was much easier two years ago. I concur! Stay away from certain groups - you'll easily guess what both of us are hinting at. Kanyetschna! There you have it. Now go for it and don't let anyone talk you out of your dream! Good luck, dude!

thank you for the support.

I appreciate that.

[khmira]

First of all i want to apologize for the long delay in my postings ,things have been pretty busy over here the last few days (weeks).
A lot of homeworks and a trip to Miami with my friends .(it was fantastic by the way )
I also express my sincere thanks to those that take the time to give me advices.
Unfortunately i didnt make a noticeable progress with my research .
The next two weeks i will apply my candidacy to some school in the US (i'm not sure if "apply my candidacy" is the right way to say what i want to say )
I will also have a serious discussion about this with my parents .
But i want to assure you that my motivation will not be disabled by some losers .
It's my dream and i will try; as hard as i can ;to fulfil it .


With all my friendship !

[AlHemar]

Envoyé par khmira First of all i want to apologize for the long delay in my postings ,things have been pretty busy over here the last few days (weeks). A lot of homeworks and a trip to Miami with my friends .(it was fantastic by the way ) I also express my sincere thanks to those that take the time to give me advices. Unfortunately i didnt make a noticeable progress with my research . The next two weeks i will apply my candidacy to some school in the US (i'm not sure if "apply my candidacy" is the right way to say what i want to say ) I will also have a serious discussion about this with my parents . But i want to assure you that my motivation will not be disabled by some losers . It's my dream and i will try; as hard as i can ;to fulfil it . With all my friendship !

use enroll in College instead of "apply my candidacy to some school " and good luck.

[werecoming]

wow im very impressed of all the information i got from u guys,i kind of sound like professionals,anyways khmira if you want something so bad you have to go for it,dont let anyone tell yiu the opposite,plus it s all about faith and destiny,if it s meant for you to be a pilot you ll get their,believe me.

good luck with everything

[cuty-pie]

Envoyé par khmira First of all i want to apologize for the long delay in my postings ,things have been pretty busy over here the last few days (weeks). A lot of homeworks and a trip to Miami with my friends .(it was fantastic by the way ) I also express my sincere thanks to those that take the time to give me advices. Unfortunately i didnt make a noticeable progress with my research . The next two weeks i will apply my candidacy to some school in the US (i'm not sure if "apply my candidacy" is the right way to say what i want to say :zD ) I will also have a serious discussion about this with my parents . But i want to assure you that my motivation will not be disabled by some losers . It's my dream and i will try; as hard as i can ;to fulfil it . With all my friendship !

Want leads to choice,which leads to commitement.

Should leads to decision,which leads to sacrifise

Just reminber that life doesn't require that we be the best,only that we try our best.

Good luck to you