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a qui tu dit ca monsieur ?
à bon entendeur ! pk?
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et quand on n'est pas religieux et qu'on voit le conflit israelo arabe comme un conflit colonial , on fait comment .?

oui c'est colonial. et tous les supporteurs de myth d'Israel sont des pays avec une grande histoire dans le colonialism, come France, ou une grande histoire dans le genocide des autres, come British et America.

ils ont utilise la religion pour convaincre la generale population de les suivre.
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the people who started Israel myth are not descendants of Israel. the Polonaise jew are not descendants of Abrahim, they converted to jewdaism in 15 century and they have no relationship with Abrahim alaihe assalam.


if you read your Tanach or Torah, you will find out that the jew descendants of Israel(Jacob) did not have white skin with blue eyes! if their masters the egyptians were brown, how can the slaves be white like natanyaho? (just use your brain and try to think outside what you been taught?) they can not give a birth to any white with blue or green or yellow eyes. when you try to claim descendancy to Abrahim, make sure you know well who's Abrahim and make sure you know that brown DNA does not give white DNA.

you were dumped in myth, the myth of the forefathers: those who thought God promised their ancestors a land but did not keep His promise, He had to get help from British, France and America to deliver the land to the wrong people after 3000 years.

so now, you have clear picture that you were dumped.you born dumped, your whole life dumped to fit the plans of others. I can feel your situation because I always believed humanbeing are the same. I could be in your place, thinking that I'm chosen by God and that I have the right for a fantasy meeting land. all what I needed for that, a crazy father or mother who believe s/he is a jew..! believing that you born better than others just like that is like falling in deep well without chance to get out.


whenever Europe masacred the jew, they were welcomed to Islamic land. when the polonaise jew hijacked the jewdaism, they came to start problems with the nation who always sheltred the jew. they screw up the relationship between the jew and the nation who always protected the right of the jew. but they did nothing to those European who enjoyed masacring them: from the destruction of the kingdom of jew by France to the genocide of jew and moslems in Spain, without forget the German barbaric way to rid Europe from the jew. I don't believe the jew were loved at anytime by Europe, even Hitler, before he started the genocide, he had to ask the whole western world to take the jew from him. unfortunatly, none of the allies accepted them.

you created the problem by supporting jew who came from Europe to spread propaganda of meeting land and so forth and the people of palistine is paying the price for your wrong ways in reading Torah, talmud or Elders of Zion. we still wish to see the peace everywhere in this world but it is not our decision. it is the decision of those who lived the destruction of their homes and land for the sake of the MYTH OF ISRAEL.

The reason jews got the color of the people they where living with is the same reason the africans of america are getting white.

Ever seen an afroamerican next to a african? And this is only after 300 years add another 1700...

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jews all Have common DNA

JEWISH GENES
DNA Evidence for Common Jewish Origin and Maintenance of the Ancestral Genetic Profile

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics – the study of DNA sequences – indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.

Jewish men from communities which developed in the Near East – Iran / Iraq, Kurds, Yemenites, Roman Jews, and Ashkenazim / European Jews – have very similar, almost identical genetic profiles.

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." (M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, June 9, 2000)

The basis of this new field of population research is the study of the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son. The rare mutations – which are changes in the non-coding portion of its DNA – can serve as markers which can distinguish peoples. By studying the genetic signatures of various groups, comparisons can be made to determine the genetic relationships between the groups.

Y-chromosome research of the Jewish people began as an outgrowth of the study of Cohanim – the Jewish priestly family. These studies showed a very high genetic affinity among present-day Kohanim – indicating that they do have a common paternal ancestor, estimated to have lived some 3,000 years ago. (See: DNA Chain of Tradition – The Discovery of the "Cohen Gene")

This genetic research consists of obtaining DNA samples, and doing laboratory analysis and comparison of the DNA markers on the Y-chromosome – which is passed from father to son, and the on mtDNA – which is passed intact from mother to son and daughter. This genetic anthropology promises to be particularly informative for tracking the history of Jewish populations, and helping to resolve the debate on the origins and migrations of Jewish communities in the Diaspora.

The researchers proposed to answer the question whether the scattered groups of modern Jews are really the modified descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible, or are some groups of modern Jews instead converted non-Jews and other groups so diluted by intermarriage that little remains of their "Jewish genes."

The complex recorded history of dispersal from the land of Israel and subsequent residence in and movements between various countries in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East is expected to produce a complex pattern of genetic relationships among Jewish populations and between them and the non-Jewish peoples among whom they lived.

The research was basd on samples from 29 populations, 7 Jewish, categorized into five major divisons: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans.

The findings were that most Jewish communities, long separated from one another in Europe, North Africa, the Near East and the Arabian peninsula do indeed seem to be genetically similar and closely related to one another, sharing a common geographical origin.

These Jewish communities are more closely related to each other and to other Middle Eastern Semitic populations – Palestinians, Syrians, and Druze, than to their neighboring non-Jewish populations in the Diaspora.

The results also indicate a low level of admixture (intermarriage, conversion, rape, etc.) into the gene pool of these various Jewish communities.

Among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans (Morrocans, etc.) were most closely related to Babylonian (Iraqi) Jews. These populations may best represent the paternal gene pool of the ancient Jewish / Hebrew population dating back to the First Temple period, before the Babylonian exile (approx. 2,500 years ago).

The Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Jewish and Semitic populations. In contrast, the paternal gene pool of Ethiopian Jews more closely resembles that of non-Jewish Ethiopian men.

Although the Ashkenazi (European) community separated from their Mediterranean ancestors some 1,200 years ago and lived among Central and Eastern European gentiles, their paternal gene pool still resembles that of other Jewish and Semitic groups, originating in the Middle East.

A low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles was the key reason for this continuity. Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5% in each generation.

The Ashkenazi paternal gene pool does not appear to be similar to that of present-day Turkish speakers. This finding opposes the suggestion that Ashkenazim are descended from the Kuzars, a Turkish-Asian empire that converted to Judaism en masse in or about the 8th century C.E.

The researchers are continuing and expanding their studies particularly of the Ashkenazi community. They are hoping that by examining the DNA markers in Jewish populations from different parts of Europe, they will be able to infer the major historical and demographic patterns in Ashkenazi populations.

In addition to questions of medical interest, there are many interesting possibilities concerning the origin of Ashkenazi populations and how they migrated in Europe. It seems likely that Jews began to arrive in Eastern Europe perhaps 1,000-1,200 years ago, when settlement was already sufficiently developed to provide them with opportunities to make a living.

One theory claims that the Jews of Eastern Europe derive predominantly from Jewish migrants from the Rhineland or from Italy, being fairly direct descendants of the original ancient Jewish / Hebrew populations.

A second theory suggests a northerly migration from the Balkans or from Central Asia, with the possibility of large scale conversions of Slavs and/or Kuzars to Judiasm.

This argument parallels the controversy over the origin and development of Yiddish – the language of Eastern European Jews. One theory proposes that Jews migrating from the Rhineland and neighboring regions spoke an old form of German which was to provide the basis of Yiddish.

Other scholars reject the German origin of Yiddish. These linguists see Yiddish grammar as fundamentally Slavonic, with modern Yiddish developed by incorporating large numbers of German and Hebrew words into the context of a basically Slavic grammar and syntax.

There has not been enough historical evidence to decide between such theories. Now, with the newly developed genetic methods, it is possible to test these ideas, for example to see if there was a significant Slavic contribution to modern Ashkenazic Jewry. Early indications from this study seem to support the "Mediterranean – To Europe – To Eastern European" pattern.

These genetic research findings support Jewish tradition – both written and oral. After over one thousand years of history in the Land of Israel, Jews dispersed to many and distant locations throughout the world.

Some Jewish exile communities were relatively stable for two millenia – such as in Babylonia (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). Others developed centuries later, following successive migrations to North Africa and Europe.

All of these communities maintained their Jewish customs and religious observance despite prolonged periods of persecution. Jews remained generally culturally isolated from their host communities. These genetic studies are a testimony to Jewish family faithfulness.

Only the Jewish people in the history of mankind has retained its genetic identity for over 100 generations while being spread throughout the world – truly unique and inspiring.

Perhaps, even more unique and inspiring, is that this most unlikely scenario was a prophecy and a promise.

"And G-d shall scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth…" Devorim 28:64

"And G-d shall return your captivity and be merciful to you, and will return and gather you from all the nations whither G-d has scattered you." Devorim 30:3

"As the natural laws are set before Me, so shall the seed of Israel never cease from being a nation before Me, forever." Yirmiyahu 31:36
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The DNA Chain of Tradition
The Discovery of the "Cohen Gene"

Jewish tradition, based on the Torah, is that all Kohanim are direct descendants of Aharon, the original Kohen. The line of the Kohanim is patrilineal: it has been passed from father to son without interruption from Aharon, for 3,300 years, or more than 100 generations.

Dr. Karl Skorecki was attending services one morning. The Torah was removed from the ark and a Kohen was called for the first aliya. The Kohen called up that particular morning was a visitor: a Jew of Sefardic background. His parents were from Morocco. Skorecki also a has a tradition of being a Kohen, though of Ashkenazi background. His parents were born Eastern Europe. Karl (Kalman) Skorecki looked at the Sefardi Kohen's physical features and considered his own physical features. they were significantly different in stature, skin coloration and hair and eye color. Yet both had a tradition of being Kohanim--direct descendants of one man--Aharon HaKohen.

Dr. Skorecki considered, "According to tradition, this Sefardi and I have a common ancestor. Could this line have been maintained since Sinai, and throughout the long exile of the Jewish people?" As a scientist, he wondered, could such a claim be tested?

Being a nephrologist and a top-level researcher at the University of Toronto and the Rambam-Technion Medical Center in Haifa, he was involved in the breakthroughs in molecular genetics which are revolutionizing medicine and the study of the life-sciences. He was also aware of the newly developing application of DNA analysis to the study of history and population diversity.

He considered a hypothesis: if the Kohanim are descendants of one man, they should have a common set of genetic markers--a common haplotype-- that of their common ancestor. In our case, Aharon HaKohen.

A genetic marker is a variation in the nucleotide sequence of the DNA, known as a mutation. Mutations which occur within genes—a part of the DNA which codes for a protein—usually cause a malfunction or disease, and is lost due to selection in succeeding generations. However, mutations found in so-called “non-coding regions” of the DNA tend to persist.

Since the Y chromosome, besides for the genes determining maleness, consists almost entirely of non-coding DNA, it would tend to accumulate mutations. Since it is passed from father to son without recombination, the genetic information on a Y chromosome of a man living today is basically the same as that of his ancient male ancestors, except for the rare mutations that occur along the hereditary line. A combination of these neutral mutations, known as a haplotype, can serve as a genetic signature of a man’s male ancestry. Maternal geneaologies are also being studied by means of the m-DNA (mitrocondrial DNA), which is inherited only from the mother.

Dr. Skorecki then made contact with Professor Michael Hammer, of the University of Arizona, a leading researcher in molecular genetics and a pioneer in Y chromosome research. Professor Hammer uses DNA analysis to study the history of populations, their origins and migrations. His previous research included work on the origins of the Native American Indians and the development of the Japanese people.

A study was undertaken to test the hypothesis. If there were a common ancestor, the Kohanim should have common genetic markers at a higher frequency than the general Jewish population.

In the first study, as reported in the prestigious British science journal, Nature (January 2, 1997), 188 Jewish males were asked to contribute some cheek cells from which their DNA was extracted for study. Participants from Israel, England and North America were asked to identify whether they were a Kohen, Levi or Israelite, and to identify their family background.

The results of the analysis of the Y chromosome markers of the Kohanim and non-Kohanim were indeed significant. A particular marker, (YAP-) was detected in 98.5 percent of the Kohanim, and in a significantly lower percentage on non-Kohanim.

In a second study, Dr. Skorecki and associates gathered more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y chromosome markers. Solidifying their hypothesis of the Kohens' common ancestor, they found that a particular array of six chromosomal markers were found in 97 of the 106 Kohens tested. This collection of markers has come to be known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH)--the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family. The chances of these findings happening at random is greater than one in 10,000.

The finding of a common set of genetic markers in both Ashkenazi and Sefardi Kohanim worldwide clearly indicates an origin pre-dating the separate development of the two communities around 1000 C.E. Date calculation based on the variation of the mutations among Kohanim today yields a time frame of 106 generations from the ancestral founder of the line, some 3,300 years, the approximate time of the Exodus from Egypt, the lifetime of Aharon HaKohen.

Professor Hammer was recently in Israel for the Jewish Genome Conference. He confirmed that his findings are consistent that over 80 percent of self-identified Kohanim have a common set of markers. The finding that less than one-third of the non-Kohen Jews who were tested possess these markers is not surprising to the geneticists. Jewishness is not defined genetically. Other Y-chromosomes can enter the Jewish gene pool through conversion or through a non-Jewish father. Jewish status is determined by the mother. Tribe membership follows the father’s line.

Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today’s Kohanim resulted in the highest “paternity-certainty” rate ever recorded in population genetics studies—a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.

Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical origin can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.

This genetic research has clearly refuted the once-current libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe--a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence.

In their second published paper in Nature (July 9,1998) the researchers included an unexpected finding. Those Jews in the study who identified themselves as Levites did not show a common set of markers as did the Kohanim. The Levites clustered in three groupings, one of them the CMH. According to tradition, the Levites should also show a genetic signature from a common patrilineal ancestor.

It is interesting to note that the tribe of Levi has a history of a lack of quantity. The census of BaMidbar shows Levi to be the smallest of the tribes. After the Babylonian exile, the Levites failed to return en masse to Jerusalem, though urged by Ezra HaSofer to do so. They were therefore fined by losing their exclusive rights to maaser. Though statistically, the Levites should be more numerous than Kohanim, today in synagogue, it is not unusual to have a minyan with a surplus of Kohanim and yet lack even one Levite. The researchers are now focusing effort on the study of Levites' genetic make up to learn more about their history in the Diaspora.
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Using the CMH as a DNA signature of the ancient Hebrews, researchers are pursuing a hunt for Jewish genes around the world. The search for lost tribes, whether the biblical 10 Lost Tribes which were uprooted from Eretz Yisrael by the Assyrians, or other would-be Jews, Hebrews or "chosen peoples," is not new. Using the genetic markers of the Kohanim as a yardstick, these genetic archaeologists are using DNA research discover historical links to the Jewish people.

Many individual Kohanim and others have approached the researchers to be tested. The researchers' policy is that the research is not a test of individuals, but an examination of the extended family. Having the CMH is not a proof of one's being a Kohen, for the mother's side is also significant in determining one's Kohanic status. At present, there are no halachic ramifications of this discovery. No one is certified nor disqualified because of their Y chromosome markers.

The research, which began with an idea in shul, has shown a clear genetic relationship amongst Kohanim and their direct lineage from a common ancestor. The research findings support the Torah statements that the line of Aharon will last throughout history. That our Torah tradition is supported by these findings should be a reinforcement for Kohanim and for all those who know that the Torah is truth, and that God surely keepsHis promises.

May we soon see Kohanim at their service, Levites on their Temple platform and Israelites at their places.

A Blessing Forever

Just as the Kohanim’s lineage spans more than 3,000 years, so does the Blessing which they deliver span Jewish history. Since it’s inception at the inauguration of the Mishkan on Rosh Chodesh Nissan, 2449 CC (equals 1311 BCE), the Blessing of the Kohanim has been recited daily by descendants of Aharon HaKohen somewhere in the world, everyday.

It is a remnant of the Temple service which was never lost. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, the mishmarot—family service groups of Kohanim—kept their tradition of knowing the week of their particular watch at the Temple. From the time of the Babylonian and Persian exile, Jewish communities have included the Birkat Kohanim in their communal service.

Sefardic custom, as written in the Shulchan Aruch, is for the Kohanim to bless the congregation everyday. Following the Rema, the Ashkenazi custom became to perform the Blessing only on holidays. Presently in Eretz Yisrael, following the talmidim of the Vilna Gaon, the custom has been restored to recite the blessing everyday and twice on Shabbat, Rosh Chodesh and Yom Tov.
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Jewish Genes & Genealogy
Kohen = Cohen are the priestly family of the Jewish people. The Torah (the Bible) describes the annointment of Aharon, the brother of Moses, as the first High Priest (Kohen Gadol). The books of Exodus and Leviticus describe the responsibilities of the Kohanim, which include the Temple service, blessing of the people and spiritual healing. The Kohanim are a family of the Tribe of Levi.

The office of Cohen was granted to Aharon and his sons and to all their male progeny for all generations. The Torah states a number of times that the priesthood is an eternal covenant with the descendants of Aharon, the first Kohen, never to be lost.

Molecular geneticists have recently discovered the “Cohen Modal Haplotype” which is a DNA signature consisting of specific genetic markers on the Y chromosome of the Cohens. This indicates a direct patrilineal descent of present day Kohanim from a single ancient ancestor, precisely as described in the Torah.

Explanations and implications are quoted as follows:

“The simplest, most straightforward explanation is that these men have the Y chromosome of Aharon. The study suggests that a 3,000-year-old tradition is correct, and has a biological counterpart.”

Dr. Karl Skorecki, New York Times, January 7, 1997.

“It’s a beautiful example of how father to son transmission of two things, one genetic, one cultural, gives you the same picture.”

Prof. Michael Hammer, New York Times, January 7, 1997.

“For more than 90 percent of the Cohens to share the same genetic markers after such a period of time is a testament to the devotion of the wives of the Cohens over the years. Even a low rate of infidelity would have dramatically lowered the percentage.”

Dr. David Goldstein, Oxford University, Science News, October 3, 1998.

“Like first experiencing the Western Wall in Jerusalem, it’s to me an extraordinary moving and intense experience of history and sacred history coming together. I think the Y chromosome research does the same thing genetically. It is a tangible embodied moment of connection to our past.”

L. Dorfman, San Francisco State University, Science News, October 3, 1998
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Families and Family Trees
A Kohen today has the status of Kohen Muhzak, assumed Kohanic status Halachically, the status of Kohan Miyuchas, of veritable lineage, requires witnesses or equivalent, that his father's father's father, etc. served as a Kohen in the Temple in Jerusalem.

There are, however, families of Kohanim among the Jewish people which have particularly strong traditions of their families' roots and branches.

Among the Sephardim there are Kohanim families with traditions reaching back to Temple times. A community of Kohanim existed on the island of Jerba, off the Mediterranean Coast of Tunisia, for more than 1,000 years. Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian Jewry trace their origins to ancient exile communities of Persia, Babylonia and Aram.

Well known Ashkenazi Kohanim families include the Cohens, the Katz's, the Kohanas and the Shapiros, Perhaps the best documented of these selected families are the Rapaports.

The earliest known Rapaport is Rabbi Yaakov HaKohen of Porto, who is known by the Rapaport name from 1462. It is likely that his immediate predecessors fled Ashkenaz, Germany around this time which was the year of the expulsion of Jews from Mainz. The region of Southern Germany left was known as Rapa. They came to Porto, a river city in the Padua region of Northern Italy. Thus the name Rapaport tells of the families' geographical origins.

Many great rabbinical leaders and scholars, intellectuals and statesmen are found in the families' lineage. Among them are Rabbi Meshulam Yekutiel HaKohen of Rafa, the publisher in 1472 of the first Hebrew book ever printed. Rabbi HaKohen Rapaport was the light of the exile, serving as Av Beit Din, head of the Rabbinical court in the descendants of "The Shach". Rabbi Shabtai HaKohen wrote Sifte Kohen (1622-1663) a major commentary on the Shulchan Aruch, also formed a branch of the family.

A widely known legend is that the Vilna Gaon, a first born, would seek out pedigreed Kohanim to perform a pidyon - redemption for him. Upon finding a Rapaport to perform the ceremony, he was satisfied that he had successfully accomplished the mitzvah.

The Baal Shem Tov is storied to have said that the Rapaports are verifiable among the Kohanim, and the Horowitz family among the Levites.

The Rapaport family now has members living in practically every location in the world. Dr. Chanon Rapaport of Jerusalem has compiled a family tree covering some 25 generations. With the help of a computer genealogy program known as "My Brothers Keeper", he keeps track of over 11,000 entries. The family continues to produce chief rabbis and authors, scientists and intellectuals.

The Jerba Kohanim - Among the oldest known continuous communities of Kohanim in the Diaspora is the community founded on Jerba, an island off the Mediterranean Coast of Tunisia.

Within the community and among the other inhabitants of the island, a general consensus reigns about the antiquity of the Jewish settlements and the uninterrupted Jewish presence in Jerba. In the indigenous chronology, the Jewish settlement antedates the coming of Islam. It antedates the hegemony of the Romans. It antedates the destruction of the second Temple in 70 A.D. and possibly even the destruction of the first 586 B.C. On some level, Jerba is perceived as the original and first Diaspora. In spite of this consensus regarding its antiquity, there is, surprisingly, no single, recognized version of the community's myth of origin. There are many versions which, even when not mutually contradictory, differ in detail and chronology. nevertheless, they all make the same statement and have the same meaning.

The most popular account dates back to the first Jewish settlement in Jerba to the aftermath of the destruction of the Temple of Solomon in 586 B.C. A group of priests, Kohanim, serving in the Temple escaped from Jerusalem and found their way to Jerba, carrying with them a door and some stones from the Jerusalem sanctuary. These were incorporated into the "marvelous synagogue", Ghriba, which they erected in Jerba, and it is on account of its antiquity and its connection with the holy Temple of Jerusalem that the Ghriba was and continues to be a locus of pilgrimage and veneration. The priestly refugees from Jerusalem settled in a village nearby this new sanctuary and were the founders of Hara Sghira, also known as Dighet, a supposedly Berberized form of the Hebrew delet, meaning door.

Until recently, the town was said to be populated only by Kohanim, members of the priestly caste descended directly from those who fled Jerusalem in the sixth century before the common era.

While the oral form of this tradition probably dates back many centuries, its earliest appearance in written form is apparently that found in a book, Hashomer Emet, by Rabbi Abraham Haim Addadi of Tripoli, published in Livorno in 1849.

Other traditions hold that it was priestly refugees, not of the first but of the second Temple (70 A.D.) who were the first Jewish settlers on the island.

Various archaeological artifacts - inscriptions, gravestones, remnants of ancient synagogues, genealogies engraved on stone - which were said to offer material proof for one or another of these myths of origin are now lost and survive only as part of an oral tradition.
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oui c'est colonial. et tous les supporteurs de myth d'Israel sont des pays avec une grande histoire dans le colonialism, come France, ou une grande histoire dans le genocide des autres, come British et America.

ils ont utilise la religion pour convaincre la generale population de les suivre.
Zionism is not colonialism

“Colonialism means living by exploiting others,” Yehoshofat Harkabi has written. “But what could be further from colonialism than the idealism of city-dwelling Jews who strive to become farmers and laborers and to live by their own work?”

Moreover, as British historian Paul Johnson noted, Zionists were hardly tools of imperialists given the powers’ general opposition to their cause. “Everywhere in the West, the foreign offices, defense ministries and big business were against the Zionists.”

Emir Faisal also saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmann presented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:

The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement....We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home....We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added)

Zionisme is not racisme

Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, which holds that Jews, like any other nation, are entitled to a homeland.

History has demonstrated the need to ensure Jewish security through a national homeland. Zionism recognizes that Jewishness is defined by shared origin, religion, culture and history.

The realization of the Zionist dream is exemplified by more than four million Jews, from more than 100 countries, including dark-skinned Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen and India, who are Israeli citizens. Approximately 1,000,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs, Druze, Baha'is, Circassians and other ethnic groups also are represented in Israel's population.

The Arab states define citizenship strictly by native parentage. It is almost impossible to become a naturalized citizen in many Arab states, especially Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Several Arab nations have laws that facilitate the naturalization of foreign Arabs, with the specific exception of Palestinians. Jordan, on the other hand, instituted its own "law of return" in 1954, according citizenship to all former residents of Palestine, except for Jews.

The presence of thousands of black Jews in Israel is the best refutation of the calumny against Zionism. In a series of historic airlifts, labeled Moses (1984), Joshua (1985) and Solomon (1991), Israel rescued almost 42,000 members of the ancient Ethiopian Jewish community.

To single out Jewish self-determination for condemnation is itself a form of racism. "A world that closed its doors to Jews who sought escape from Hitler's ovens lacks the moral standing to complain about Israel's giving preference to Jews," wrote noted civil rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz.

When approached by a student who attacked Zionism, Martin Luther King responded: "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism."



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Israel's over 1.2 million Arab citizens have Arab-Israeli political parties and Arab-Israelis representing them in the Knesset.
Arabic is an officially recognized language in Israel, along with Hebrew.
Though Arabs make up 20 percent of the Israeli population and live as full citizens inside Israel, the future Palestinian state refuses to allow any Jews. The Palestinian Authority wants all Jewish communities currently in the territories to be transferred out of the future Palestinian State so that the areas will become Judenrein (the Nazi term for Jew-free), like many other Arab countries.
Jews have always been active humanitarians on the frontlines of most civil rights causes. Israel's humanitarian record continues the tradition of coming to the aid of countries in need. As we know, Israel took in the Vietnamese boat people when the world ignored them. Israeli-Arabs have full civil rights in Israel they do not have anywhere in the Arab world, including women's rights.
Very few nations or peoples have come to the aid of Jews during the many disastrous times in our own history, when they were chosen for extermination or deportation. Zionism and the rebirth of Israel are part of the Jewish answer to such tragic helplessness.
There are more than 50 Muslim countries in the world. Jews cannot safely live in any of them. Today, many Jews feel unsafe even in some European countries.
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Vieux 11/03/2007, 23h40
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Par défaut Re : Nous sommes des descendants d'un père, Abraham

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The reason jews got the color of the people they where living with is the same reason the africans of america are getting white.

Ever seen an afroamerican next to a african? And this is only after 300 years add another 1700...

do you mean you are like lezards, you take the color of your environment!!!!?

get life man? go pick torah and read? in 33 years the sons of Israel gonna change to sons of Israel Tribes!!!

think about Jacob had 12 sons, no daughter! the 12 sons had to marry from outside, which mean there is not one jew who is 100% decendant of Jacob or Abrahim(that's if you are true jew and you consider "you can't be jewish unless your mother is jewish"). and after 33 years, they become 12 tribes of sons of Israel: something possible only if other people came to live with the sons of Israel famillies. which mean your DNA test is just scum like always...

you have to learn to get out from your propaganda. and stop bombarding this server with scums? we know how many scums sold to Europe and America, in the name of studies, about the arc of Nuh, the picture of jesus,..., the codes in bible.

ask yourself one question: why you suppose yourself to be jewish just because your parents said so? in Morocco for example, the majority of the jewish who left Spain, converted to Islam. and they become good scholars of Islam. when you bring your scums to moroccain people, be aware! some of them are true jewish descendants of Jacob, but they converted to Islam for the sake of the truth. in the other hand, many europeans converted to jewdaism, because they thought they will become superior race or rich or... and they hijacked jewdaism for their dreams. you could be one of them, who knows !!!?

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Vieux 11/03/2007, 23h43
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Par défaut little bit about zionism for you

Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.

There are in fact many Jewish movements, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.

No one has had to create any antagonism between our Torah and Zionism because such antagonism exists by virtue of the essence of Judaism itself, which can never tolerate the heresy of Zionism.

Zionism is wrong from the Torah viewpoint, not because many of its adherents are lax in practice or even anti-religious, but because its fundamental principle conflicts with the Torah.

Unfortunately, due to many undesirable factors, the view of Torah-true Jewry has been concealed from the general public.

We, the staff at www.jewsnotzionists.org are delighted that with the advance in media technology a substantial benefit to researchers, students, and the general public has been made available. We are elated at the advantage which the internet provides for the presentation of and accessibility to a position so widely held yet so deliberately ignored by many a Zionist-inclined medium.

It is our hope that the information presented on this site will be of benefit to all and that we soon merit the peaceful dismantlement of the so-called "State of Israel" and that Jewish-Muslim brotherhood be restored as prior to the arrival of the Zionist scheme on the global scene
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